Post SOAK*2016 Repair

Well, quick post to update what I found causing the earlier mentioned coolant leak in the heating circuit.

It appears that a rather tight bend in the heater hose turned into a fold at some point (though still flowing water) and the brass-tube inserted inside (where connected up to the 12V Aux Pump) sawed through the hose and produced a TINY LITTLE CUT.

Heater Hose Damage

Damn…little cut, big water.

A fairly easy repair all in all. Drop the muffler, cut off the bad section of hose, re-route and push back onto the pipe and clamp down. Appeared to be okay for this last trip, but a LOT of extra zip-ties helped the situation.

I can still taste the coolant….

Exhaust System Upgrades

Well I forgot to post awhile back that I had upgraded the exhaust system on The Ghost. There was significant motivation (both internal and external) to see if things could be quieted down a bit. The 5″ resonator combination was only providing (at best) about 3dB out of the box. Adding some batting internally and externally (fiberglass) helped with that but it still had a very tell-tale Detroit 2-stroke level of noise that sent the kids running.

So, seems very simple…just purchase a new muffler and bolt it on. I wish it was that easy…

The factory setup on the coach had two flat wide oval mufflers running off of 3 cylinders each on the forward side of the engine between it and the bulkhead. This worked okay, however the exhaust pipes were fairly small (2.5-2.75″?) and the cans were rotting out (from the outside, in). The upgrade (when replacing the cylinder head) was to install the 6 into 1 manifold (4″ native outlet), size it up to 5″, and add the resonator and a couple bends; passing through the firewall, placing the resonator on the other side, and the dump just ahead of the radiator on the drivers side. In looks, this worked very well. In practice and traveling over the road, it was WAY TOO LOUD.

Earlier this year I started hunting for the biggest 5″ in/out muffler that I could find that MIGHT fit in that restricted area just forward of the firewall bulkhead. I eventually settled on a Walker 22917 oval muffler (side inlet, end outlet) although the outlet was offset to the wrong side for my particular installation. ¬†This would require some modification, but it seemed within the realm of possibility so I plunked down the $186 to have one delivered to my door.

Old Exhaust on the right, new exhaust on the left.

Old Exhaust on the right, new exhaust on the left.

Old exhaust on the left, new on the right.

Old exhaust on the left, new on the right.

Old on the right, new on the left.

Old on the right, new on the left.

Once the muffler arrived, I started drafting up ideas for mounting and realized that the proposed modification should/would solve the issue. The critical dimension between the outlet of the engine where it passes through the bulkhead and the edge of the body is what made this the only muffler that would fit. Also, the narrow gap in this area meant a thicker/rounder/wider muffler was out of the question. As it turned out, if the muffler was >1.5″ larger in any dimension it would be impossible to place into that compartment without some serious slicing and dicing. I did some less serious slicing and dicing to move the inlet to the other side to allow the outlet to properly match up with the position I needed for final installation.

The Old Inlet Side (soon to be covered)

The Old Inlet Side (soon to be covered)

The remaining piece I needed to use to plug the hole

The remaining piece I needed to use to plug the hole

Of course it's wet out.

Of course it’s wet out.

Modified Inlet, about to tack the far side so it doesn't break loose internally later on.

Modified Inlet, about to tack the far side so it doesn’t break loose internally later on.

Finished product, with outlet on the low side (for my turndown tip)

Finished product, with outlet on the low side (for my turndown tip)

The next addition was to add a short piece (~6″) of 5″ flex pipe to aid in connection/vibration of this new much LARGER muffler. I’ve had the connection break loose at the manifold before due to the prior muffler’s weight (even with support on the end) so I want to remove as much tension off the manifold as possible. This short piece of flex also allowed me to use a band-clamp to connect the muffler to the existing piping (which will aid in removal later, if the need arises).

Once this was bolted into place, I added a support bracket with rubber isolator (re-used the old one) to support the end of the muffler. The turn-down was installed and held in place with the same clamp that was used to mount the support bracket. This, hopefully, will allow me to adjust the tip angle while entering/exiting Black Rock City to avoid kicking up even more dust into the radiator fan.

The final product ended up being a SUBSTANTIALLY quieter ride and exerting much less fatigue on drivers/passengers. Conversations can be had in the front seats while at-speed (shy of the wind noise) in normal volumes. The note from the drivers side of the coach is still present but is more of a muscle car level instead of a open 5″ stacks on a semi-truck sort of level. The CFM ratings on this unit were as high as I could find for that space, so I don’t feel too bad about adding too much more restriction into the outlet of my 6-71 two stroke. I believe the advertised numbers that walker presented.

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VS2-8 Fix Update – Repaired!

As some may recall, from my last post, the ‘replacement’ transmission for The Ghost ended up being an incorrect ratio (non-ideal) and would require some fancy footwork on the old transmission to make things work.

Well, all that work is now complete and The Ghost is back into operational status! The transmission repair and replacement ended up being a breeze. Using the good overdrive planetary + clutch pack from the ‘new’ transmission to install on the damaged ‘old’ transmission, I ended up with a fully functional (and hopefully happier shifting!) overdrive! The transmission pan (upon inspection) was rather clean and while in there I added a couple 1/4″ washers to the pressure regulator spring stack on the fluid pump to give a little extra pressure in the heat.

The only remaining projects are to cut the hole for the transmission oil cooler in the side door, tidy up a couple little leaks, and do a final hose/bolt check after the NorthWestMogFest shakedown run!

I snapped some photos through the process randomly so enjoy!

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The repaired transmission ready to go back on the transmission jack and be installed:

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The freshly cleaned flywheel housing with good used bushing installed in the flywheel. This bushing was from the ‘new’ transmission and fit so tightly that I have no issue using it versus machining a new one.

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Another photo of the new transmission preparing to be installed:

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A photo (for documentation) of the required modification (in addition to shaving the ring down for proper end-play) to the spacer ring around the starter area for clearance.

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Here’s a photo of the milling bed being set up to shave down the bellhousing spacer (removed 0.230″ from one spacer to properly set the end-play on the splitter O/D gear pack).

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Here’s another photo (thanks Andy!) of me using a cordless drill to run the rotary table around while removing material off the spacer. Worked well!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here’s a photo of the ‘old’ clutch pack and sun gear assembly after removal from the ‘old’ transmission input shaft. You can see the black sun gear in the bottom left.

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This is what I found (expected) when I removed the transmission. Blown up planetary gears and a damaged sun gear.

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All in all the whole process was made a LOT easier by having a cement driveway, taking my time, and having milling machine access for doing the spacer ring adjustment (thanks again Andy!) Let’s see if we can keep this setup together so I don’t have to repair it for a 3rd time! Getting tired of having to swap transmission parts right before Burning Man ūüôā

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Major Bummer!

The new transmission, on the verge of being installed, reared it’s ugly head and showed it’s true nature………it’s the wrong ratio!

It happens to be one of the most rare VS2-8 models…and there’s no way to tell unless you drive the bus or drop the pan. Unfortunately it’s the center bevel gear ratio so it’s not really worth changing on an otherwise good transmission.

So the game plan is to take the good parts (overdrive gears, clutches, oil pump, etc.) and move it into the busted transmission.

Unfortunately it means more work….but we shall prevail!

More soon.

VS2-8 Repair Round TWO!

So, it broke again.

On our way back from Reno, NV (working after the 4th of Juplaya Trip), we lost overdrive just before Susanville. The feeling and the sound was the same. Large pow, and left with only 1st and 2nd gear. It was the middle of the night on a road that didn’t allow safely parking a 8ft wide 35ft long bus enough to have a look-see at what just happened. I did a visual, nothing was horribly wrong externally, so we continued on.

Fast forward to this week, I’ve been preparing to remove the transmission from The Ghost to determine the fault and drop in the replacement transmission! I recently acquired another VS2-8 from a gentlemen in Kelso, WA out of a Colorado (Mountain¬†Metropolitan¬†Transit) New Look¬†T6H-4523A. The clutch packs look to be in sound shape (better than mine) and the internals were EXCEPTIONALLY clean. Assuming nothing alarming rear its head before installation, this will be the future transmission for The Ghost.

The reason I¬†pursued¬†an entirely new transmission was two fold. First, the parts to fix The Ghost’s VS2-8 (failed round two) are near impossible to find. Secondly, there may be a compound issue with low MAIN pressure on the transmission, which could be¬†aggravating¬†the lack of lubrication issue. Either way, I will be installing my sensors (two temperature sensors and one MAIN pressure sensor) along with the lock for 2nd gear (for descents with¬†Jacobs¬†brakes and climbing large hills).

To make this new transmission work, I will need to adjust the gear end-play from 0.250″ to .050″ or less. This large gap caused a bypassing of lubrication oil of the planetary gear driven plate…eventually leading to a failure of the bearings/bushings. I will be building a small spacer to insert into the transmission stackup to close this gap and hopefully solve the problem for good. This of course is the repercussions of installing a VS2-8 (designed for a deep bellhousing 8v71) on a 6-71 (with a shallow bellhousing) with dual spacer rings.

I also learned (by acquiring my VS2-8) that the factory setup on a 8v71 uses about 1/2 to 2/3 the number of bolts to hold the transmission to the engine that I am using in my setup, WITHOUT a external support on the end of the transmission. I have already built a support (using a motor mount rubber for a Kennworth tractor) so this should be plenty of support to keep the transmission attached to the engine.

Outside of adding this spacer, and re-installing with the new transmission, things should go rather smoothly. I recovered all of my old (undamaged) fluid so I could put it into the new transmission. This is similar to the fluid required for wet clutch driven heavy equipment (like bulldozers).

Over the next few days I should have the spacer built and be back to re-installation. Hopefully everything is ready for a shakedown run to NorthWestMogFest 2012 then shortly after down to BurningMan 2012!

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